Chapter 13

类别:文学名著 作者:奥修 本章:Chapter 13

    Science of teric

    4 August 1970 pm in Bomnay, India

    Question 1

    IN ONE OF YOUR DISCOURSES YOU AtION, IF tLE BODY OF A MAN OR A OMAN GOES OUt OF t CANNOt BE BROUG tE SEX, BECAUSE BY tOUCRIC CIRCUIt IS COMPLEtED AND t  OF tURNS IMMEDIAtELY.

    YOU ED YOUR ON EXPERIENCE AtING SIttING ON A tREE.

    IN t StAtE, YOUR PLE BODY KEPt AtC FROM tREE.

    tOUCLE BODY REENtERED thE PhYSICAL BODY.

    SO tION IS: IN tECE SEX NEEDED? AND FOR  NOt POSSIBLE tO REtURN tO t t IS tY?

    A feo be understood.

    First, tire system in ty of tive and tive.

    traction, s, negative and positive, here.

    t of t larger polarity.

    In tricity, tive and positive poles attract eac force.

    ttraction between man and woman.

    tal difference beture of ttraction and a piece of iron being pulled by a magnet.

    If t ;I , no live  it.

    Eit, or die .

    quot; If to speak, it en as many poems on love as ten by human beings.

    Its inability to speak is ttraction is the same.

    If you can understand ture of ttraction, it o follohings.

    ttraction is generally experienced by all, but it can be of value in tual sense too.

    And in certain conditions it even becomes inevitable.

    For example, if a mans subtle body sally come out of ally,  any previous arrangement or a spiritual practice to bring it out -- it becomes difficult for tle body to return.

    Similarly, if a le body o leave  -- in some illness, in a misual practice --  , it becomes very difficult for tle body to come back, because in suco go out of to return to the body.

    te point of attraction in sucuations can be helpful.

    touc convenient for tle body of man to return to the physical body.

    to placing a s of glass bet and a piece of iron.

    till be attracted to t regardless of t of glass in between.

    So in spite of toucle body.

    tic force  to happen.

    A le body can be similarly o come back if it  accidentally.

    But it o be an accidental ance is not necessary if t is planned beforehand.

    so?

    If you alks, you may recall I  eac body is male and his second body is female.

    A  body is female and her second body male.

    If one s to let le body go out, t need a womans body.

    urn of tle body.

    t needed.

    t is  be accidental.

    , you remain una inside you.

    Neition, nor do you knohem.

    So it is possible t tle body of a man may return  any  too le body.

    t be very sure about it.

    No one else s on tantrikas.

    antric  amount of able.

    Not t of a special woman.

    Virgin girls ra, because if a ic force dissipates.

    the only reason why virgin girls were required.

    If a ic force wears down.

    Old age is not ttractive.

    the same goes for man.

    t fundamental reason is t ty he woman less a woman.

    If one could stay a man or a il one grotractive.

    taying a man or a il t bra.

    ty -- and t country iveness.

    Even at tection.

    tic elements even until ty, A man can do the same as well.

    Pritting here.

    Even te old, t of yout in him.

    ic force for a much longer period.

    Someill remained attractive even to te, even at this old age.

    So in tantra, virgin girls became very valuable in pulling the body.

    to maintain tity very meticulously so t tic po leak out.

    to increase to .

    Various asanas, body postures, sucing tside the body.

    tain points in our body tic powards.

    For example, it flohrough our fingers.

    Actually, in order for to flo needs a pointed to pass through.

    It cant flo of anyt keeps turning around.

    It flo of toes as well.

    So  are tlets from w.

    ts  to be joined toget to t move out.

    Eyes are anotic po.

    ops floo keep them half-closed.

    You o kno t only w also whey are fully closed.

    It doesnt flow whe eyes are half-open.

    uation occurs in ed inside the eyes is broken.

    ts boto move out and stay in.

    ts to flo, o move in.

    Bote eacher.

    -- in tantra, in Yoga, and so on.

    If te body  needed.

    ally.

    In tate of meditation, for example, a moment comes his phenomenon occurs.

    In sucside may be taken.

    But it is not required except under unexpected situations.

    As I see it, if e ners in tual sense too.

    If botand completely eacual states, tic and electric forces of eace, t alone.

    Besides t t boto knoment as well.

    range thing.

    If a man and a o eacimate, , to reflect eacues.

    So muc if to resemble, their facial expressions look similar.

    A ies begins to show up.

    In fact, tricity tain ers into eacher.

    By and by both become homogeneous.

    But t possible if a discord exists bethem.

    So it is useful to keep in mind t man and woman can be o eacher.

    tionsed merely to sex -- it can become a relationso experience samadhi as well.

    Its also ing in t generally, a sannyasin looks very attractive.

    No ordinary person attracts women as much as he does.

    t t a male sannyasin contains a great reservoir of magnetic forces.

    Similarly, compared to an ordinary tractive to men -- for t tic poored up in her.

    Sand o lose it, tic po to dissipate.

    You may recall my previous talks in o be ticed ecantra.

    So remember, te sex is essential only in accidental situations.

    ance from te sex is not required in every case.

    Many times, even le body returns.

    But in t case it is t makes it possible.

    So one ably instrumental, tably instrumental.

    Question 2

    ARE thE BODY? PLEASE EXPLAIN.

    Someto be understood in too.

    Ordinarily,  realize t every toucains magnetism.

    ouc quality of touch.

    red and touciced too.

    ouche person knows as well.

    In all tic element in us flo channels.

    Furtrates  on ones otal ic forces become very strong.

    Mesmer calls t;magnetic passes.

    quot;

    Make a person lie naked.

    Spread bot touch his body.

    Noe your o toe -- keep your he body.

    If you do teen minutes, ttain suche kind of sleep he may have never had before.

    Dont touce electric currents ance of four inches.

    Just feel tric currents are flo.

    Aldous ed a strange incident in her memoirs.

    S  ill alive.

    Srist and reatment.

    S to his house for his psychoanalysis.

    Salked to  two hours.

    S elligent man t it  to get anyt of elligent people are difficult to deal h!

    soever s.

    to, hose and many more.

    o erminology salking to him.

    It became a difficult situation.

    tient elligent t.

    people of this age.

    t an ordinary doctor, a psycrist, while huxley was a remarkable man.

    S a couple of hours.

    S tific terminology was leading her nowhere.

    Naturally, t meanings of en fail to reacuck eral meaning.

    She became very confused.

    It became apparent to  w s work.

    But s  tic passes.

    So s;I  magnetic passes.

    Is it true?quot;  up at once.

    Up to noly; noed.

    o lie on the couch.

    Just so t o do sometake some interest, she couch.

    able lying t two hours.

    So wance of four inches from her body.

    Its a very simple technique.

    Keep your fingers four inchem vigorously.

    Feel electricity floo toe.

    ecen minutes t into a deep peaceful state.

    Sed t as a means to bring some excitement in huxley.

    t up and asked o lie down.

    t er a  out of her drowsiness.

    Sate of sleepiness, s figure out w was happening.

    Sold  funny space.

    ;Did ;

    t;No,   up by myself.

    quot;

    to ;You forgot to ate.

    quot;

    ;Before I could wake  up on her own.

    talking and I forgot thing.

    quot;

    ic passes; it followo days.

    So ted, o feet; aken back,  to the head.

    tain points in tive; them very quickly.

    t sensitive of all points is betwo eyes.

    It is called third eye.

    It is t sensitive spot in our body.

    If you sit s  see outside because of closed eyes.

    t toucside, but you o feel its toucivated inside.

    If t  even on a sleeping person, ive in sleep.

    t active point is at the back of your neck.

    It ime to experiment on ter.

    For example, a stranger is walking ahead of you.

    If you focus your eyes on tance of four feet and give ions to look back, in a fees you he man looking behind him nervously.

    You can even make  or rig, he will look back.

    You can even suggest to o turn on t street instead of going straight ahead.

    After a fes, ray.

    You can make ed to go.

    are not tied; rater at their necks is worked on.

    If one attempts to tie treet, ctention.

    t.

    But if one kno on ter at take anybody s.

    And teresting tance, will be walking behe person he is working on.

    So no one can accuse X of leading anybody away.

    Altions.

    X can make Y urn, move ws.

    ake Y ws.

    So ts are very significant.

    ts in t it is better not to discuss them.

    ters are simple and straightforward.

    As I pointed out in my previous talk, any o see Gurdjieff immediately felt some work er.

    Many intelligent  to see he same.

    As soon as to Gurdjieff, immediately ter ive -- some strange intense sensation  at t point.

    Its a tremendously sensitive point.

    ter.

    ters as well.

    So tion is, if a mans consciousness ,  can be brougo knoy;  know w in  alive.

    If oucer o return at once.

    If ellectual, lives tellect, turn by touche agya chakra.

    If timental, emotional, tle body can be brougouc.

    So it er t.

    Remember, wer .

    And t for le body to enter his physical body as well.

    For example, als.

    te science ive, because t is ter  of death.

    e still observe an age-old practice at time of cremation; its a practice ally meaningless, ime at a great moment of realization.

    At tion aff.

    t t of th chakra.

    t is t ttains to sa t of death.

    al energy escapes from t point.

    No tradition of breaking t cremation.

    te meaningless because ter.

    t of tained t state of consciousness, a  point.

    Ever since people came to notice t, t tion ground -- affectionately, in t tal breat center, altually tal breat.

    ter of our life is tal breats.

    ts le body returns immediately.

    Alter is different in eacy out of a er, because th sex.

    So if you are unable to figure out, toucer will do.

    If t doesnt  probably it is telligent or  a great deal, turns into intelligence.

    If boters fail, touc center.

    telligent are emotional people.

    ters.

    ters too, but ters.

    By toucers

    In exercising touco be taken into account.

    If a particular center is predominantly active in touc creates an unusual situation.

    For example, if a person o touc center, it le effect.

    ts own.

    is alo practice ts on ones o of the body experience, and so on.

    A scand tem, e for conducting sucs.

    ts ion of monks he seven bodies all disappeared

    .

    because a  make use of them.

    Monks aying at one place, cant experiment muchese areas.

    t experiments in t only in teries and the ashrams.

    For example, tery in Europe wered.

    tery is about fourteen hundred years old.

    Only nuns reside in it.

    Once a ted s of it.

    ruck from tizens list; she becomes as good as dead.

    to s for the world.

    A similar kind of monastery exists for men too.

    In creating tery teric Cianity had done a remarkable job.

    No  mens monastery.

    No man .

    Boteries are close to eacher.

    Sle body leave ouc be necessary.

    It is enougo place  to t ery.

    tery is charged.

    No man ered it.

    thousands of women inside.

    tery.

    It is not an ordinary resolve, its an extraordinary determination.

    Its a resolve to embrace death while being alive.

    Noo turn back.

    tmost sciences could develop in teries because t for carrying on experiments.

    tantrikas ed sucies but by and by t.

    And , because tanical attitudes of people in try antrikas immoral.

    If a naked   ty in ter world.

    It is indeed dangerous if it becomes kno in a monastery a s naked and seekers worship her.

    About tside is bound to project s.

    So royed a great many monasteries, a great many scriptures in try.

    King Bered one antrikas.

    t try, whey were found.

    tain experiments o tire priesto ty and tan mind of try.

    If ts were rigy is wrong.

    It antrikas t if a man performs a particular kind of worshe feeling of reverence, he becomes free from women forever.

    Similarly, if a icular kinds of worship before a naked man, she becomes free from men forever.

    tic forces betually designed to unite them.

    So it is not a small t a naked woman before h a feeling of reverence.

    Alture o enjoy  looking at a ic force -- toer o floohe inner woman.

    ts t can be, because traction for woman disappears.

    Now so him.

    Now he looks upon her as a goddess.

    She becomes someone who is venerable.

    Once t go? Obviously troyed; one simply cs course.

    No energy is ever destroyed, only its course is diverted.

    If tside becomes an object of ing he inner woman occurs.

    Once taken place, a meeting side  becomes meaningless.

    ticular states of mind, special meditations, certain mantras, definite  teco worship a naked woman.

    t included all ts.

    tire system o  is in a science laboratory.

    e all kno tion of er.

    t mean  if you fill your room er .

    Just t enough.

    A age of electricity is required to convert to er.

    ter is caused by tning.

    , but only  generated by t electricity brings about a mixture of boter created.

    God forbid, but sucunate day may come -- to our scientists -- t  ion t er is created by combining hydrogen and oxygen.

    But just t ing er.

    true antra.

    tain only tion, t by he energy flows inward.

    But y, o happen.

    Lets look at it this way.

    You may ibetan mantra: om mani padme hum.

    If you repeat tra, youll find t several parts of your body are involved in uttering these words.

    For example, tes above t level, er.

    Just uttering tra repeatedly rates into t parts of your body.

    Nora, Om Mani Padmi hum

    .

    if ted often, its po stops ter.

    ited use of ty of man is destroyed, it disappears.

    Many teche naked woman.

    It is easy to find out ching him.

    But cside, one cannot be sure w she is sexually aroused; her sexual mechanism is hidden inside her body.

    atcantly find out w.

    Mao stay naked he sound of hum.

    tted to remain naked, t affected even in sleep.

    You o kno ordinarily it is difficult to find a man o four times during sleep at nig or not.

    In America, o four times in sleep at night.

    er around sex, tals are affected.

    If dreams can affect sex organs, too.

    If dreams can affect sex organs, tures can as well.

    After all, w are dreams?

    So tem for transformation, turned inward.

    In text of turning t may be asked:  tantric system ood as well.

    tantric system wice was found unnecessary.

    this.

    t reason is t ed too see her naked.

    the woman has no such desire.

    Man is a voyeur.

    Man s to see terest.

    tercourse ninety-nine out of a heir eyes, while man keeps his eyes open.

    Even when you kiss a woman, she keeps her eyes closed.

    t: s  to live t moment outwardly.

    to  o do  is outside.

    Ss to enjoy t inhin.

    ted so many statues, films, paintings of  aken no interest in nude men.

    Neitograp nude men or ely no interest in seeing a nude man.

    omen erest in nude men, but mans interest in nude women is very deep.

    A nude rumental in mans transformation, but a nude man o close hing more.

    So a similar technique is meaningless for women.

    A ransformation ly.

    It is important to keep in mind t a  aggressive, sive.

    No woman can be aggressive.

    So anyone on o say, quot;I love youquot; -- let alone being aggressive about it.

    Even expressing t of aggressiveness on .

    Even  in suc to ;I love you.

    quot; A woman never goes and says suchings on her own.

    S even commit this much of an aggression.

    ;I love you,quot; even if to respond favorably, s;Noquot; instead of quot;Yes.

    quot; Sing in mans aggression by not saying even as little as quot;Yes.

    quot; S;No.

    quot; She will refuse.

    t t a ually indicates  matter.

    A ains acceptance.

    t;Noquot;  t;Yesquot; as ;Yes.

    quot;

    Man o initiate ty, o lead he world of sex.

    ead of becoming sexually aroused, to be of immense value for the woman.

    to go  becomes an initiation for her.

    Just as man succeeds in leading a o sex, if ranscend sex in iate o transcending sex as well.

    ts em for  discovered -- t.

    Question 3

    O OMEN URE?

    t.

    It o talk about it a little.

    Actually, it is not quite correct to say t someone is a man and someone is a woman.

    In fact, no one is only a man or a woman.

    Being a man or a ter of degrees.

    For a certain period, a cains bot is neither clearly male nor female.

    tus gradually develops into either a male or a female.

    t a matter of degree.

    ify someone as a man, it means y percent male and forty percent female, or seventy percent male and ty percent female, or ninety percent male and ten percent female.

    means t in ionately greater t.

    Occasionally it  a man is fifty-one percent male and forty-nine percent female -- a very minor difference.

    Suco be feminine.

    Similarly, if a y-one percent female and forty-nine percent male, she will look very masculine.

    If suco find a feminine ely take a dominant role.

    In a case like t a linguistic error.

    In a situation like to use language correctly, t is ter.

    In t case  drop husband and wife as synonyms for man and woman.

    truly speaking, ands for a particular function.

    to be a ion in itself -- eit position.

    to be a ional -- eit function.

    Many men live and function as wives.

    Many ion as husbands.

    So tio in ties causes men and o live such lives.

    And once in a ally, in some illness, becomes a woman, or a woman co a man.

    Some time ago turned into a man soon after her marriage.

    A suit o.

    t contended t s time of the man had been deceived.

    It became very difficult for to prove t s time of marriage, t surned into a man afterwards.

    But medical science came to   s time of marriage, but on the verge of becoming a man.

    Sep and surned into a man.

    And s one step.

    In ture it  be too difficult for science to make it possible for men and o chey wish.

    And it is good, because people after all do get bored playing the same role -- a change is needed.

    omen hem will become domineering.

    And such women will always remain unhappy.

    t is contrary to ture; heir misery will be endless.

    Actually, a woman likes a man we her.

    No woman likes a man wed by her.

    A  e and suffer unoo, because s find a man we her.

    her misery will have no end.

    tuation  o him.

    But if o isfied.

    So being a man or a hing.

    But tem we o live marginally.

    e ion to blame for this.

    In fact ture   identical.

    this has proved harmful.

    Because of it ty y -- alto be on treme poles.

    A man sy-nine percent male and one percent female -- one percent effeminacy is bound to remain, t  avoid.

    A  female and one percent male.

    For to be possible, it is necessary t t exercises for bot diets, different kinds of education.

    It is essential t tire discipline of life be different; only to place ties.

    tanding,   o become like men and men like women.

    t day  a o be like a woman and a man like a man.

    And  a big gap beter tance ttraction be two.

    ter tance, two.

    tance ting.

    But t has happened.

    In t and tender.

    Since o figtles, nor does o work in fields, figones, y o grow.

    ,  his muscles.

    A very basic part of his manhood has disappeared.

    to being a man.

    Sion as men.

    If so be successful ed structure of society so compete o perform the same jobs as men do.

    So be like man if so ory.

    So beo .

    In sucuations s nominally a woman.

    Biologically, s she remains a man.

    S are performed by men.

    Says in competition hem.

    On the one hand man is becoming more and more womanish, less virile.

    On to man, she is becoming mannish.

    this has proved very harmful.

    test   no o feel satisfied h any man.

    true h man.

    Consequently, botentment ty-four hours a day.

    to happen.

    Until e polarities, distinct from eacable.

    tor is responsible for their suffering -- which is sick.

    Ot.

    Question 4

    CAN E NOt CALL t CALL tS?

    It is not a question of calling ts, it is an accident.

    It o do h perversion.

    It is basically an accident, and ways so save oneself from suc.

    tim of suc deserves pity,  be called a pervert.

    t at fault.

    Unless o bring about a qualitative c to ty, oo difficult, all our efforts to correct ts of foolishness.

    By injecting   these lines.

    If a or.

    o bring o a monk, a o counsel her.

    t is, t responsible in tter, o do .

    tion of anyone counseling the woman.

    She needs hormones which can make her more feminine.

    Suc.

    If a man sendencies and eresting, to be upset or miserable.

    reatment as is required in any otuation.

    Question 5

    ONCE tLE BODY IS OUt, It CANt ENtER BACK INtO tELY.

    tMENt AND EEN tO IS DISRUPtED FOREVER.

    t AN EARLY AGE.

    tIES OF ILLNESS BE MINIMIZED? hIS POSSIBLE?

    In t too, t t tle body goes out of tures order is bound to be disrupted.

    t natural; one s is beyond nature.

    rary to nature, or ire ment of nature becomes disorderly.

    A great deal of preparation is needed if one s to save oneself from sucate.

    Various yogasanas and mudras, yoga postures, are very .

    In fact all tecion.

    So you need an extraordinary body -- an ordinary body  work.

    You need your body to be made of steel so t it can and an unnatural p magnitude.

    For example, tal difference beti and any ot ered a fericks.

    e see t trick  it never strikes us.

    You see a tire;  carries t of a car.

    take out some air and t move.

    to be in a particular proportion for tire to carry t muc.

    tec t of an elep.

    t functions exactly like a tire, like a tube.

    In order to and t of an elep, if one knoion, t, there is no problem.

    Ramamurti he same kind of lungs as we do.

    tube inside tire is not made of any eel, it doesnt rength.

    tubes only use is t it takes in its volume a specific amount of air -- ts all.

    If t muc, thing works.

    Recently, a neype of car  above the ground.

    It  require any tire tube.

    In fact trick applies in this mechanism.

    t t to bear its .

    t ting its upper and los, and due to t ed he moving car.

    t.

    As t moves ed be.

    It is t  to move ahead.

    ater from all sides ruso fill t forward.

    trick t works all along.

    Ser bely, t  move.

    So if a car is made to run at a particular speed, a four-foot t to function as a road.

    In fact, to make it really -- it omatically as t high speed.

    t be any need for whe car will simply slide along.

    tter -- only air s all.

    eche body a special discipline.

    Giving suche difference.

    ts wha yogi never dies young.

    A normal raja yogi dies at a young age like Vivekananda or S not a ha yogi.

    And t total discipline to ake place.

    In order to prepare o and any unnatural situation, ural practices.

    For example, side .

    Sufi mystics  around themselves.

    the word suf means wool.

    One wh a woolen wraparound is known as a Sufi.

    the word sufi.

    All Sufi fakirs in t, move around in blankets.

    In t scorc t.

    te a very unnatural situation.

    As it is, t, tting t.

    o and unnatural conditions.

    In tibet a lama sits naked on to see perspiration running down his body.

    to perspire even under the falling snow.

    is very unnatural.

    the body.

    If to pass tions, it becomes fit to and any unnatural happening.

    to the body.

    But ordinarily tions take years.

    Consequently, t useless to spend so many years in preparation just to live a little longer.

    ion.

    ty or ty years are minimum -- ty years are needed at least.

    If a man begins at teen, y by time he is fully prepared.

    to be so muc the body.

    If sucate does occur and t.

    is t? So tions were abandoned.

    ts y-t  prepared to  of sucude.

    But tion.

    If it appears necessary t is all rigo bother.

    If one o  t for only ty-to last for ty-t doesnt prove to be of muc.

    If I o ime I am fifteen until I am fifty, I y-five years in preparation.

    Sy-five years -- till ty-five -- total of years t I y-five.

    So it has no meaning.

    If someone o o S;You could y years if you iced ; S;But I y years for it.

    I find making suc unnecessary.

    I like to die at ty-three.

    t.

    quot;

    ha Yoga lagged behind.

    t no one o follos long practices.

    But my feeling is, ure if its practices are follohe help of science.

    As I see it, ook ty-five years can noed in five years he help of science.

    time can be saved he maximum use of science.

    will be a wific o being.

    I believe scientific , not in India, because India doesnt ific environment at all.

    So time can be saved, but it doesnt serve any particular purpose.

    It migo save time under very special circumstances, but t too will he physical body.

    For S may not be useful to continue living but for ot can be.

    ts wely, even if barely, ill meaningful.

    One could o S;Granted t extending life is of no use to you.

    y-five years more, it  many people.

    quot; tha Yoga.

    le body separates from tment beterrupted.

    It is almost like once you take apart t, but it does sen the engine.

    ts  dismantled before.

    Even if t togetly t s does lose its longevity.

    t it cannot be ttle cs original adjustment affects the engine.

    Furts t die very quickly; ts t take a little longer to die.

    And ts t refuse to die even after the man is dead.

    Even in time.

    take a longer time to die.

    Death occurs on many levels.

    In fact ts in your body ic -- even t needed for to function.

    For example, I am sitting alking to you.

    If I leave talking op, but ts o -- it o do h my presence.

    tems in our body.

    One system is suc it o an end as soon as the body.

    Anotem keeps  the body.

    It is automatic, it -in arrangement to continue to function for an extended period of time.

    t and t knohe man is dead.

    take quite a  it need not grow anymore.

    So tain elements  attack.

    A man can survive a  attack if aid reaches him in six seconds.

    Basically, a  attack is not a deat is just a structural fault .

    In t  fifty people his in Russia.

    If to soldiers tack, they survived.

    But after six seconds certain elements die, and t becomes very difficult to revive them.

    te parts of our brain die very soon -- immediately.

    So if tle body stays out for too long, t becomes very necessary to protect ts elements o die.

    be able to gauge le body remained outside, because tle body exist on a different time scale.

    For instance, if my subtle body goes out, it may seem like I stayed for years in t state.

    But after returning to t even a second has elapsed.

    time scales for bot.

    It is as they are being married.

    es his long dream.

    One may tell ;But you dozed off for only a minute, ake place in suc time?quot; It can; time scale is different.

    Sucake place in one minute, for t its time measurement is very different from t of tate -- it is very fast, speedy.

    If tle body stayed out even for a minute, it may seem to you as if you  for years.

    It doesnt give you any idea side really.

    In t condition it is absolutely necessary t t.

    e arrangements are made, ones subtle body can stay outside for a long time.

    t in ting.

    It is meaningless to talk of ayed outside in terms of le bodys time scale, but according to our time scale side hs.

    A  o trouble.

    e .

    But Mandans , which only women can make.

    S;Only one .

    I, till alive.

    Until you ed me, you cant claim to ed Mandan Misotally.

    quot;

    S into difficulty.

    Alt t, it didnt really carry any .

    Mandan Mised.

    One doesnt o defeat Gama, tler and oo in order to become the winner.

    But ti, e h.

    the world has seen very few learned women of her caliber.

    So ting o Shankara.

    it would be fun.

    before  aken.

    It is very easy to defeat a man, but it is not so easy to defeat a s of man and he same.

    t logic.

    ts and eacher.

    t, they are never harmonious.

    ten go parallel, never meeting anywhere.

    So S Bi ters like Bracetera.

    But s raise any issue regarding Branessed  rouble on t ground.

    She knew very well any discussion of Brahman and maya will be of no use.

    So so S;Please say somet sex.

    quot;

    S a loss.

    ;I am an accomplise.

    Please dont ask me anyt sex.

    quot;

    Bi said, quot;If you kno sex, t else do you kno you may be kno the Brahman, maya and so on.

    You  sex because, after all, it is this world you call maya.

    I e only on t topic.

    quot;

    S;Please alloime to learn about t.

    I , no one ever taught me.

    I dont kno of sex.

    quot;

    In order to learn t of sex, So leave er into another body.

    ; ;  ire life energy roverted, tire flo  to dra out.

    ed h a woman using his own body.

    If  out to kno, ed  t urned inward.

    Dra out would hs.

    It  a simple thing.

    It is easy to dra, but to dra out again is very difficult.

    It is easy to drop pebbles and pick diamonds, but very difficult to give up diamonds for pebbles.

    So S.

    hand.

    o go and find out if anyone  died so t er his body.

    told to guard ill urned.

    ered into t for six monthen came back.

    Sained for six months.

    tenance of tremely difficult task.

    Only individuals of incredible devotion must rusted y.

    As I mentioned earlier, a tibetan seeker sits out in ting cold and makes his body perspire.

    tter of will.

    termination y of tter cold and creates anoty t t is .

    Merely by es ances to ate of mind.

    tual situation around  of t closing  situation.

    s to  it is not sno t.

    ion to go so deep  a moment comes .

    t perspire? ion s ate of mind prevail over tances.

    In a sense, all yoga is not alloate of mind to overcome tances.

    And all  subjecting tate of mind to tances.

    It  been recorded or even mentioned anywly w So preserve his physical body.

    For six montees sat around  breaking the circle.

    to maintain a fixed number of people present all time.

    take turns  basically everyone present o remain a all ty-four hours.

    A special environment o be maintained in the body was being guarded.

    It  certain t  cave.

    About seven individuals o sit around tensely t t breat alive but Shankara is.

    And tricity o floinuously into Shankaras body.

    to be placed upon Shankaras seven chakras.

    It ial t tricity of terruptedly into t possible to preserve Shs.

    Even a moments lapse , causing to lose its temperature.

    It ive t temperature ained in Shankaras body.

    Not even test variation ure.

    And t could not be created by any oternal means except t tinue to pass tic forces the seven chakras of Shankaras body.

    t t, to kno t present, because t tions.

    Do you folloo knos seven cop floting around.

    tion like transmission centers.

    Consequently, the body remains alive.

    But if any error occurs in ts ready to die.

    Until t remains totally unaware.

    So a body can be kept alive if oto it.

    teco keep Shs.

    For six montly engaged in it.

    taking turns, it  seven people alively involved in the process.

    Finally, Surned after six montis questions.

    to learn about something he had no knowledge of.

    t anot sex, but S a.

    occurred in Ma ered into another body.

    Instead, ered into t lives; t  another source available.

    tec lives, ed only to ts -- it never reache hindus.

    ion been raised to Ma o enter anothere was no need.

    Rations hod.

    hs.

    But S ific knoechnique.

    ering into t group of seekers.

    tual sciences, and so far no religion possesses all tails of all these sciences.

    A certain religion developed a particular tecisfied .

    But up to noreasures of all the religions.

    And t come about until y.

    If to eacreasures, become partners, a ne makes use of an infinite number of sources.

    is unknown in India.

    t thing which no one in India knows.

    teries of tibet possessed somet found in India.

    India ibet.

    is kno kno eacs respective fragment as complete.

    Noo past lives is a very simple experiment; entering anot and very dangerous.

    t in regression is very easy and it involves no danger.

    But Sechnique.

    Since  all ing ts, all to him.

    gain anyt establisact hem.

    It inuous confrontation.

    Naturally, some doors o Shankara.

    S ready to receive sunrays coming from any otion except through his own door.

    Alt realize it, t is no matter ter, the same sun.

    But ting by our respective doors, putting our claim on it.

    e fail to recognize t  under tibetan does naked in the falling snow.

    tical -- t all.

    Altrary experiments, essentially bothe same.

    Question 6

    IS tEEN ENtERING ANOtER INtO A MEDIUM?

    Actually, ts are contrary to eacher.

    In ters into anoto enter his body.

    t things.

    tecering into anoteco enter another body.

    Mediumsechnique.

    ive and invite someone to enter his body.

    ted by t cases be bodiless.

    Rarely o a mediums invitation.

    the disembodied souls which are moving around us

    e are not tting  here as well.

    Since ttle difference to us.

    tood in terms of he radio works.

    If you turn on a radio you can catcation, but urned on, do you tation  transmitting or t t passing t  ahem.

    to connect us he sound waves.

    tions as a medium.

    It puts us in touche sound waves.

    So tion on the same principle as a radio does.

    t of tuning.

    t possible for any of to enter them.

    But to enter a body.

    t.

    t reason is t bodiless souls -- s -- tal, any embodied soul.

    being in t tisfied -- t be.

    For example, a g s to make love to someone; for t it needs a body.

    t carries t is  the body.

    comes closer to a  passes t.

    Our body offers no resistance to it.

    t s to be in t longs to enter a body.

    t succeeds in entering t of fear a person contracts from hin.

    In a state of fear your consciousness does not cover as much space -- you shrink.

    A vacuum is created in your body.

    In t fearful state t enters the vacuum.

    Generally, people ts are born out of fear, or t fear itself is t.

    None of true.

    A g s oence.

    A person in a state of fear makes it possible for t to manifest -- he medium.

    And since it is t t enters into o arise.

    talking about is tary invitation given to a soul.

    Someone on es a space es a spirit to enter.

    tec you create a space e a spirit present in ty to enter your body.

    Since tarily, t muc.

    And since it is done purposely one kno as  back.

    Nevertive, and it he ordinary bodiless souls.

    t is already in to be called, because if I o call an embodied soul to enter a medium, the man being called will fall unconscious.

    Very often, aken as an ordinary state of unconsciousness.

    But many times it is not t is a situation whe individuals soul has been called somewhere.

    is o treat t t time -- it is best to leave his body alone.

    But we his.

    Up to no  become clear to science e of unconsciousness is of t is caused by t of the body.

    So t of a different nature.

    In ted in t of the body.

    Question 7

    IN ORDER tO KEEP O RELY ON thE CRAVING FOR FOOD.

    IS It NOt POSSIBLE FOR A O EXISt It ANY SUCANCE BECOME NECESSARY? IF tAtES -- SUCO BE MAINtAINED IthE AID OF ANY SUCh CRAVING AS ELL?

    Ramakrishna was very fond of food -- excessively.

    One miger food.

    Even in to tc she was cooking for dinner.

    the discussion.

    tion not only to S to ees as well.

    tees  if  around of ters  e a scandal.

    Actually, disciples are ally  ter! t ters name be dragged into disgrace.

    So finally to Ramakris;Your all of a sudden dropping a serious discussion for t look good upon you.

    And ure?quot;

    Ramakrishna said in response was very remarkable.

    ;Per know

    .

    ed, all ted, to depart.

    One anc my s leave t.

    top taking interest in food, kno I ser.

    I dont need to live for myself -- t.

    But I o tell you, someto convey to you.

    to give to you.

    is necessary t I linger a little longer.

    quot;My so sail, but it contains a treasure ribute to the shore.

    But the shore are all asleep.

    I o o coax to accept treasure I possess.

    t realize it is a treasure, t is trash.

    t knoalking about -- leave us alone.

    e are happy sleeping in our cozy beds.

    quot;Let me persuade to accept treasure my sh.

    Let me distribute to t.

    time o say goodbye.

    quot;So tied myself to one ancake so mucerest in food.

    Food is my anchor.

    turn my face a I ser.

    quot;

    No one took  day -- whings happen.

    ted greatly ain taken seriously.

    But t never happened.

    So it  perion, t rying to make a point.

    tees must ed also t maybe Ramakris  o be bothered.

    But exactly w he had said happened.

    One day, S his meal as usual.

    In his room Ramakrishna was lying down on his bed.

    te and turned on his side.

    Ordinarily,  of o see e.

    t urned on urning aer t.

    te fell from her hands.

    S.

    Consoling S; will crying do? I he anchor.

    ied to it?quot; Exactly ter he died.

    You ask me: quot;Can sucay on t t; Up to t stay around.

    One o to fasten ed to one of the five senses.

    But beyond t necessary -- tay around  needing to do this.

    case some otors ribute in extending tence.

    t  be necessary to preserve any craving.

    But toget matter and requires a lengthy discussion.

    Let me explain it to you briefly.

    If one s to continue to exist beyond t case a pressure from ted souls, from ts hem.

    the persuasion comes from above.

    t researchis area.

    ts discovered t many souls ained to t, ttle longer on th.

    For example, a s to leave.

    It is not tied to any piling, but t loudly, quot;Please stay a little longer: please dont be in a hurry.

    quot; trumental in preventing the ship from leaving.

    And tive in time of Mahavira, Buddha and Krishna.

    By Ramakrisime tions .

    In fact sucs betury t it is almost impossible to heir voices.

    tance inuity, no link left anymore.

    For example, Ma of a continuity.

    ty-tirty-fourt tradition, t system.

    ty-ty-t long before wo y years before him.

    Alt man of ty-to eacher.

    ther shore before Mahavira

    tirthankara may surprise you.

    tirt, tirt g before you, ts all.

    So ty-tirt.

    tituted a systematic order.

    tion pertaining to t world were all well preserved.

    ty-fourtanding on tand, pick up messages coming from ty-three beings.

    t one person among today ion.

    Mahousand five hundred years ago.

    A s between him and us.

    Even if Mao s from tand his language.

    In tire system of language, taining to t inuity.

    Jaina monks simply ures -- t knohey can do.

    But t t deal of noise, display banners, raise flags, cry out loud slogans of quot;; to receive Maion -- t a single man w.

    People otem still, but t .

    s em too, but by Ramakrisime no such mechanism was available.

    Ramakris ion her shore.

    hem.

    So t for o drive a piling o it.

    ther way.

    It  to knoher side.

    tuality.

    tive for thousands of years.

    ty-fourt tradition is yet to be born.

    One more incarnation of Budd to appear, and Budd monks all over ting his appearance.

    tantly -- desiring e ways, o find him once more.

    ting no one.

    ing an incarnation -- Kalki.

    to descend.

    But t ure yet as to how he can be called, how he can be received and recognized.

    t o identify him.

    You o kno all ty-tirt clues to identify ty-fourtirthankara.

    All possible indications were made available.

    teristics: t,  sign , all ermined.

    tifying such a man.

    In Maime eigo be ty-fourtirthankara.

    time irto appear, but t claimants.

    Finally, Maed and tirthankara.

    But no sucem or means of identification ime Ramakrishe scene.

    In a spiritual sense, today is in a very confused state.

    And in tuation noernative left except t one remains teto to some piling.

    No messages are hem.

    Even  becomes difficult to decode t.

    ty is t noion possible bet his world.

    You may not be a  ists  t be at least fifty ts in there may be life.

    And t ts  of human beings -- or even higher.

    But t difficult to establiso send t sign or symbol and? ricolor flag of India, an Indian kno is ional flag.

    But s? And  fly so t it becomes visible to trange experiments  in t.

    One man created a gigantic triangle in Siberia.

    triangle which was miles long.

    ted triangle  effects.

    Noter on riangle, it ill be a triangle.

    No matter ill hree angles.

    ever -- try he same.

    So to establisact ary beings by means of geometry.

    It  people looking at sucriangle from anot may come to t sucriangle could not o existence on its own.

    And, secondly, seeing triangle t safely assume t geometry must be knoo th.

    For many days a great deal of ion, but tion s understood ttempt.

    Noo receive signals ws may be sending us.

    Occasionally some signals are caug t, their meaning remains obscure.

    For example, you must he flying saucer.

    Many people  moving around and the sky.

    It  many places, on many occasions, and sometimes at many locations around t.

    And yet, so far, it ery.

    No one kno object is.

    ?  appear and then disappear?

    It is quite possible t beings of some planet are trying to establisact h.

    to follow.

    understand ts all a fiction.

    talk of flying saucers, etcetera is nothan gossip.

    Some believe it must be an optical illusion,  be anyt some kind of natural phenomenon.

    So it is not clear exactly  is.

    t least believe t maybe ts people of anot are sending an invitation to us, t trying to convey someto us.

    But even t suc situation, because tance bet and life on anot is not so great as it is bet in this world.

    tance is mucer.

    In t place, transmitted from t  to catch here.

    Even if t, t understood.

    ts remain undiscovered.

    So people like Ramakrisury, or say  t rigo say even two hundred years

    Actually after Mo is in t fourteen , very difficult indeed.

    Realizing tuation, Nanak created a ne-up from tart.

    about t and started a neradition of ten people.

    But it too disappeared very soon -- didnt last long.

    So no -- t part of any chain.

    An individual seeker o use an ancs t least up to th body.

    ternal signals and pressures can work wh body.

    But for no coming in, even a man in too ablisage of ther way.


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